Friday, March 27, 2026

I Sent Apple a Working iPhone 13 Pro. They Said It Was Worth $0.

I've used Apple Trade-In twice before. Both times it went fine. This time, I lost a phone worth $360-580 on the open market and got nothing back.

In March 2026, I bought two new iPhones and decided to trade in my old ones: an iPhone 13 Pro 256GB (Graphite, estimated $240) and an iPhone 13 256GB (Blue, estimated $195). I went through the usual process -- logged out of iCloud, erased the devices, and packed them into the FedEx trade-in kits Apple sent me.

Here's the first problem: Apple sent me two identical, unmarked FedEx kits. No label saying which box was for which phone. No instructions. Just two identical padded envelopes. I put the phones in and shipped them both on March 17. Both were delivered to Apple's trade-in facility in Elk Grove, CA on March 18.

Nine days later, on March 27, I got the results:

  1. iPhone 13 Pro trade-in: serial mismatch, revised refund $195
  2. iPhone 13 trade-in: serial mismatch, revised refund $0.00

Read that again. The iPhone 13 Pro box got a $195 refund -- which is the iPhone 13's value. That means Apple received the iPhone 13 in that box, correctly identified it, and paid the right amount for it. The phones simply ended up in the wrong boxes because Apple didn't label them.

So the iPhone 13 Pro was in the other box. Apple had it. They knew what it was. And instead of paying its $240 value, they gave me $0 with these reasons:

  • Incorrect product description or serial number
  • No functioning external ports
  • Data erasure unsuccessful

They identified the iPhone 13 correctly and paid $195. But when they got the iPhone 13 Pro -- a more valuable phone -- in the other box, suddenly it had "no functioning ports" and "unsuccessful data erasure"? Both phones were working and reset the same way, shipped the same day, delivered together.


So what really happened?

Maybe Apple's system is so rigid that putting phones in the wrong unmarked box -- a mistake their own packaging caused -- gives them grounds to reject the trade-in entirely and keep your phone for free. Maybe someone along the FedEx route or at the processing facility pocketed the more valuable phone, and the box swap gave them cover.

I'm not the only one this has happened to. A user on r/iphone sent in a working iPhone, got revised to $0, accidentally hit Accept just like I did, and Apple refused to reverse it. Another on r/apple had Phobio (Apple's trade-in partner) drop their phone from $370 to $0 over a disputed "cracked lens" claim. Apple's own Community forums have multiple threads asking "why did my device get $0?" The pattern is clear: working phones go in, $0 assessments come out, and there's almost nothing you can do about it.

It doesn't matter which scenario it is. Apple had both my phones, correctly identified at least one of them, and chose to pay $0 on the other.

My mistake

When I saw the $0 assessment, I was so baffled that I accidentally tapped "Accept" instead of "Reject -- ship the phone back." That was the fatal error. If I had rejected it, they would have been forced to return whatever phone they had, and I could have verified whether it was actually mine. By accepting, I gave up that right.

I also didn't take any photos or video of the phone before shipping. No proof it was working, no proof of the serial number, no proof it went into the box. Without documentation, it's my word against theirs -- and they have the phone (or whatever phone they claim is mine).




My advice to anyone thinking about using this service:

Don't. Just use eBay.

eBay gives you seller's protection, a verifiable transaction trail, and you'll get significantly more money. Right now on eBay, a used iPhone 13 Pro 256GB sells for $360-580 depending on condition and carrier -- even a "Fair" condition unlocked unit goes for $360. A refurbished one fetches $386. A phone that doesn't even have working Face ID sold for $470. Apple offered me $240 for a fully working one, then decided it was worth $0. eBay would have paid me 50-140% more than Apple's original offer, with actual buyer/seller protections backing the transaction.


But if you must use Apple Trade-In:

1. Trade in at the store.

When I picked up the new iPhones, the Genius at the Apple Store kept pushing me to trade in right there. I said no because I'd always mailed them in before. He was right. An in-store trade-in is inspected in front of you, the value is confirmed on the spot, and there's no chain of custody to worry about.

2. If you must mail it, document everything.

Before sealing the box, record a video showing:

  • The phone powered on, home screen visible
  • Settings > General > About (serial number and IMEI on screen)
  • All ports working (plug in a charge cable)
  • The phone being placed into the FedEx kit and the envelope being sealed

Keep that video until the refund posts to your account.


3. If it goes wrong, escalate -- but know what you're in for.

I'm currently trying to dispute this through Apple Support. It is a pain in the ass and incredibly time-consuming. You call, get transferred, explain the whole story again, get told someone will follow up, and then nothing happens. I don't know if anything will come of it. That's the reality: Apple's escalation process is designed to exhaust you into giving up. Do it anyway -- file the complaint, reference the trade-in order number, request the inspection report, ask for a senior advisor, mention the FTC and your state's consumer protection office. But go in with realistic expectations. The system is not built in your favor.


The bottom line

Apple Trade-In works great until it doesn't. And when it doesn't, you have almost no recourse. The process is opaque, the evaluation is done by a third party you never interact with, the packaging isn't tamper-proof, and the dispute mechanism is designed to make you give up.


I didn't lose a $240 phone. Apple's trade-in offer was $240, but the phone is worth $360-580 on eBay. That's what I actually lost -- a phone worth two to three times what Apple claimed, for a refund of zero dollars. Don't make the same mistake. Sell on eBay, trade in at the store, or at the very least, document everything before you seal that envelope.


Wednesday, April 16, 2025

One-Day Ski Bus to Tahoe: My Experience (and How to Pick the Right One)

One-Day Ski Bus to Tahoe: My Experience

If you're itching for some powder but not keen on the white-knuckle drive to Tahoe, the one-day ski bus is a pretty genius alternative. Over the past season, I tried two ski bus services: Tahoe Ski Trips (TST) and Sports Basement. Both promise the same basic deal — early morning departure, round-trip bus ride, and a full day of skiing or boarding without the headache of traffic, chains, or parking. But as with all things in life, the devil is in the details.


The Tahoe Ski Trips (TST) Experience

Departure:San Jose Around 3:30–4:00am from San Jose
First impression: This is a big, plush, 50+ person coach. Comfortable seats, USB and AC outlets, pull-down shades, and yes, even a bathroom onboard. Snacks and drinks? Included. And good ones, too.

The hosts are cheerful and helpful — cracking jokes, giving instructions, and most importantly, asking people to keep quiet so others can sleep. The first time I went, I couldn’t sleep a wink. But over time, I got used to the rhythm and managed to get solid rest during the early hours.

The Catch: Because the TST bus picks up at multiple locations (Walnut Creek, SF), arrival time at the resort can stretch. One trip, we didn’t pull into the lot until 10am — not great if you’re hoping to make a morning lesson. If you're booking instruction, go with an afternoon slot to play it safe.

Beware the Mini-Bus: On a lower-demand day, they subbed in a 22-person mini-bus. It was a disaster. Old, loud, no shocks, and no bathroom. No charging ports. My skis got banged up badly from rattling against the metal rack. I needed a full tune-up after. If they ever tell you it’s a mini-bus day, honestly, reschedule.


The Sports Basement Ride

Departure: 5:00am from Sunnyvale
Style: Point-to-point, no stops — arrival is much more predictable. Like the TST 50+ person bus, the ride is comfortable and quiet.

The bus is solid: same big coach with USB/AC outlets, shades, and a bathroom. The big difference? No snacks or drinks, and the host is pretty hands-off. That might sound fine… until you're trapped on a bus with people loudly chatting for four straight hours. No guidance = more noise.

Parking at Sports Basement can also be a little messy, especially on busier days.


Final Thoughts

If you’re the kind of person who values structure, comfort, and hosts who lay down the rules, TST (with the big bus) is the winner — as long as you’re okay with possible later arrivals. But if timing is your #1 concern and you’re fine bringing your own snacks and headphones, Sports Basement is more efficient and streamlined.


Pros & Cons Comparison

FeatureTahoe Ski Trips (TST)Sports Basement
Departure Time3:30–4:00am5:00am
Departure LocationSan Jose (easy parking)Sunnyvale (parking can be hectic)
Arrival TimeSometimes late (due to multiple stops)Predictable (point-to-point)
Bus Quality (50+ Coach)Excellent – USB, AC, shades, bathroomExcellent – USB, AC, shades, bathroom
Mini-Bus Backup (22-person)Poor quality, avoid if possibleN/A
Snacks & DrinksYes – includedNo – bring your own
Host/GuidanceFriendly and structuredMinimal, bus can be loud
Overall ComfortGreat (on the big coach)Great (but noisier people)
BonusFriday trips availableTypically weekends only

Friday, July 5, 2024

Taking a long leave

This has been one of the toughest decisions of my life, but after spending 7 years at the same company, I've decided to leave and spend more time with my family. I'm incredibly grateful for all the amazing friends and my extended family I've met at work, and the incredible opportunities to witness and contribute to groundbreaking research and innovative products. If you asked me 7 years ago if I would do the same thing again, of course I'd say yes!

Over the past few years, I've neglected spending quality time with my family. I've always wanted to play tennis, go hiking, go skiing, travel, and just basically, trying to be a better dad and better husband. However, unexpected challenges kept arising. First, my mom was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer. Then, a fire caused by a broken attic furnace led to half of her house's roof collapsing. Managing the reconstruction for a year while being her caretaker was incredibly tough. I witnessed her brave fight against the disease, only for her to succumb to multiple organ failures suddenly. Not long after, I had a ski accident that required surgery.

During my recovery, I had time to reflect on what I truly wanted to do. Life is short, and sometimes it's okay not to have a plan or a job. I believe this is the right time for me to take a very long break, so I can spend more time with the family. I don't know what the future holds, but I'm excited about the possibilities. 

See you soon!

Tuesday, June 11, 2024

Physical Therapy (PT) at the 401 clinic

PT and healing are going well! I can move around for most of the normal (light) activities, and without excessive pain. I've been out of pain killer for several weeks already. However, my surgeon (Eklund) seems to be more conservative and would like me to be on the sling AT LEAST 7-8 weeks because of the additional Remplissage procedure. 

The PT location is at the 401 location of Sutter Health. My physical therapist (Jason) said that even if I feel fine, the sling should be worn when I'm outside in case I accidentally do something that would mess up the healing process.


Below is a typical PT exercise sheet I need to perform every day. Currently, my range of motion upwards is about 135 degrees, and we're working to to get it up to 160-170 next week, hopefully.


Overall, I'm quite happy with my progress. I remember the first surgery (from decades ago) took months to heal, but this time, I'm healing much faster.


Thursday, May 9, 2024

I'm typing with both hands now! Things are going well and I'm pretty happy so far.

Per instructions given to me, I could not take wet showers because contaminants might get into the wounds. Earlier this week I went back for a pre-scheduled PO check and the doctor removed the first dressing, cleaned the bloody surfaces, and reapplied fresh clean dressings (see below). Things looked good, and I felt pretty good as well. And the first thing I did when I got home was to take a real shower, and boy, it felt good! Overall, it's been a positive experience so far -- no complications and manageable pains.

As for the post-op pics below, it's really funny that they marked my upper body all over with bold identifiers. During pre-op, the nurses kept asking me to confirm my name, birthday, and triple confirmed the correct side to perform the surgery on -- just in case!


At the PO clinic I learned a few medical terms. The repairing of the labrum was done by inserting screw anchors to the bone, and tying them around to stabilize it (Bankart procedure). It was explained to me that in time, my own tissues would grow around and strengthen parts to keep the labrum and scapula stronger (months). It's imperative that I don't stress the bones/muscles/tendons in order for the tissues to grow back properly. See the illustrations below:


During the procedure, Dr. Eklund also noticed more problems that were not clear from the CTs and decided to perform an additional procedure called "remplissage". This is a procedure that stabilizes recurrent anterior shoulder dislocations, by filling in a medium sized Hill-Sachs region in the humeral head caused by  prior dislocation traumas. Below is an illustration of the Hill-Sachs lesion (trauma areas) and repositioning of the infraspinatus tendon into the Hill-Sachs area, effectively "filling in" to prevent it from engaging with the glenoid (shoulder socket) during shoulder movement.
In total, Dr. Eklund inserted 6 1.8mm anchors + "knotless" sutures for Bankart lesions, and 2 (bigger) anchors for the Hill-Sachs lesions.

This is my second week, and pain is now manageable without opiates, when I use ice-packs intermittently. I'd like to avoid hydrocodone (opiate) because it works all TOO well -- it has a tendency to  make me feel invincible and want to move around, which is not a good thing when I am suppose to rest and heal.

Thursday, May 2, 2024

Today is the 2nd day of surgery. I'm feeling good enough to type now, albeit veeerrry sloooowly.

The first day was uneventful. I checked in at 6:30am. There were some pre-op checks and questionnaires and forms to sign. The anesthesiologist put me to sleep around 7:50am. I woke up around 11:30am, but barely able to think or talk. Pam was already here but I couldn't walk (I was too nauseated/dizzy) and it took a looong time to get into the car-- I don't remember the details but I was half dozing off and trying to get out of the wheel chair. I slept through half of the day. I didn't fully awake and drink water and walk around until late in the afternoon.

The funny thing about the surgery is that post-op, I didn't feel any pain at all. Zero -- NADA! And besides feeling tired and somewhat nauseated, I actually felt carefree and a bit happy. It was probably the opiates working all too well. Later at night, I started to feel more and more pain until I decided to take Hydrocodone (opiate) that I picked up the day before the surgery. First 48-72 hours -- pain management is utmost important.

Back to day 1: when I was asleep, Dr. Eklund told Pam that it went well, and everything else will just depend on post-op care. It's now day 2, and I am hoping that with good PT and some time to heal, I'll be good very soon. I can't wait to play tennis, biking, & skiing with my kid. And of course, I can't wait to get out of the house and start working again!


Below are some pictures from the scope. You can see the instrumentations drilling in for labral repairs, etc/aka capsular plication). High tech stuff -- I love it!






Friday, April 12, 2024

Scope shoulder capsulorrhaphy procedures

Insurance just approved the procedure and my surgery with Dr. Eklund (sports injury surgeon) is scheduled. Admittedly, I'm a bit anxious and I'm currently trying to read up as much about it as I can. Realistically there's not much else for me to do but to just rest and heal, but it's always nice to know the details. 

There are a couple types of capsulorrhaphy procedures that can be performed: 
  1. Capsular Shift: In this technique, the surgeon tightens the loose or stretched tissues of the shoulder capsule by folding and overlapping them, effectively reducing the size of the capsule and improving joint stability. 
  2. Capsular Plication: This involves the use of sutures or anchors to gather and cinch together the loose or redundant tissues of the shoulder capsule, similar to taking in excess fabric when tailoring clothing. 
  3. Capsular Reconstruction: In cases of severe shoulder instability or extensive capsular damage, the surgeon may perform a capsular reconstruction using tissue grafts or synthetic materials to reinforce and strengthen the shoulder capsule. 
After capsulorraphy surgery, patients will usually be allowed to go home the same day. After surgery, you will be monitored closely and given pain medication to keep you comfortable. You will also be given a sling to wear and instructions on how to care for your incisions. It is important to follow these instructions carefully to ensure proper healing. Recovery from capsulorraphy surgery takes time, but most people are able to return to their normal activities within four to six months.